Sunday, November 1, 2009
HI TECH, HI TOUCH
By Hank Trisler
John Naisbitt, the author of the venerated Megatrends 2000, popularized this phrase in his first book, Megatrends. He postulates that reliance on technology isolates us and deprives us of the human contact we so desperately need. I can identify with that.
When I ran a real estate company, I was shaved, showered and in the office in suit and tie by 8:30 in the morning. Every day I met new friends and lunched at a different restaurant. I heard and told jokes and generally had a wonderful time.
Then I got into the training bidness and moved my office to my home. I now have a computer, fax machine, cell phone, voicemail, a website and e-mail. There is even a program which will link to GoldMine and extract pertinent material from fields and print out a 40-page + - proposal which one can then e-mail, post or fax to a customer completely obviating the need to talk to the pesky buggers at all.
It's been six days since I started my car. My only contact with people is when I go out for a training session, tennis, golf or a lunch with my old buddies. Other than that, I communicate with electronic devices and comparatively little of that. This existence can be narrowing for a person. One's interpersonal skills can rapidly atrophy, not to mention one's personal hygiene.
I'm not the only one it's happening to, either. Salespeople in general are making fewer personal calls and relying more on electronics to do their talking for them. We are in danger of losing the human touch.
My Barbara got a star in her windshield from a rock tossed out by a truck. She wanted me to make it all better, which I did by giving her the number of our insurance agent in San Francisco. We've been with this agent for over twenty years. He's an old family friend. He'd retired, so Barbara found herself talking to a woman she had never met. The woman said that Barbara would have to make a claim directly with CNA, the carrier. Barbara called CNA three separate times, each time going through voicemail hell prior to being disconnected.
Barbara reappeared in the office. This was not going the way I had hoped it would. "Can you tell me," she said, knowing damn well I couldn't, "why we should continue to pay premiums to an agent we no longer even know, whose office is fifty miles away from us, when all they do is refer me back to the carrier, who will not take any of my calls?"
That's how I came to be assigned the task of finding a new insurance agent. Fortunately, Jim's a really nice guy, an insurance agent and he belongs to my tennis club. I see him two or three times a week and we always have pleasant chats. I decided to ask him if he would be interested in being my new agent.
"I'd be happy to," Jim said. "Why don't you fax me the front page of your existing policy, so I'll know what we're talking about."
That seemed reasonable, so I faxed him the first six pages, as I wanted our whole shebang insured. I stressed that our decision would be based a lot more on personal service than on price. I also mentioned that I had some concern about his being a direct writer (Allstate) than an independent agent, as I wanted someone to represent me, rather than an insurance company.
A couple of days later, I saw Jim at the club, but he said nothing about insurance, so I let it slide. That afternoon I got a fax from him, asking me to fax him social security numbers, driver's license numbers and dates of birth for both Barbara and me. His fax further assured me that he had been an Allstate agent for twenty-eight years and he felt he worked for the policyholder, rather than the company. I faxed back the numbers with decreasing enthusiasm.
I saw Jim twice more and we chatted, but not about insurance. I finally got a five-page fax outlining his suggestions for our coverage and quoting prices in detail. He again assured me that he prided himself on his high level of personal service.
As much as I like Jim, I'm not going to buy any insurance from him. I wanted someone to come out and schmooze with me the way insurance guys used to do. Someone to tell me I had the best possible coverage at a reasonable price. Someone to sell me, but Jim sent me faxes full of numbers I didn't clearly understand or care much about. That's just not going to get it.
A Carnegie Mellon study links the Internet to increasing loneliness. They say the average person has but sixty-six people in his/her social circle. Sixty-six? I've seen families bigger than that.
George Quinn is one of the brightest and best people I know. He's a land developer and could easily hide behind his computer without much danger of human involvement. But every day he dresses in coat and tie and goes to his office to talk with people. He has lunch nearly every day in a restaurant with someone different. I call him "Sir Lunchalot."
I'm pleased when it comes my turn to have lunch with George. He always has something interesting to say and interesting questions to ask. He reads omnivorously and is prepared to discuss anything he's read. He's a thoroughly fascinating man and my life would be poorer were it not for him.
Did technology make George the way he is? Not bloody likely. He got where he is and the way he is by interacting with people every day. To improve your business and your life, reach out and touch someone.
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Great post Hank. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteHank!
ReplyDeleteBoy, is this correct, as I sit on what used to be one cute Irish butt, flattened somewhat from ten years at puters 18/7.
Dell #1 is trying to get my attention to the left, but I am faking lack of left peripheral vision to dodge her (computers are female) as I give Dell 2 a break .
Meantime, the TRUSTY 2002 Dell pouts, and probably will auto dial naughty stuff the next time my wife enters the room , though there's damned little space for her, among the printers and modems and the blinking lights on the router, the old (not used for years) big ole Real Estate file cabinets, now, and for a decade or two, a mere neat place to sit a lamp, or a couple of headsets.... then there's those stinkin speaker systems, one for each puter, with the danged big bass dealy and the ubiquitous stand-up speakers that look like sentinels, or actually more like Stonehenge now, as they have been pushed aside for the fancy speaker phone that I had when I was taking phone calls for an internet sales product.
Speaking of wife, I wonder how she is. Wait...we did go to church.....was that today? It's Sunday, Bob. Oh, then I did see her.
But I was thinking about all the emails stacking up........usually 140 a day... (thank GOD for Spam Arrest).....maybe they'll send me a case of Guiness for the plug..
I don't drink.
Say what? An Irishman that doesn't drink?
Yep. (I stole that line from Gary Cooper)
Who????
Damn, I hate these kids of 45 years old. EVERYone knows Gary Cooper....don't they Hank?
Ah yes, I first met the super Hank in prox 75 or 6, attended a seminar and took notes. Took a dressing down too, as that was when you kicked butt over lining up to phone booths (What's that, Grandad?) to "call the office and get dumped on".
A favorite expression of this new guy with whom I felt a kinship, though I was afraid from that "dumped on" expression that you may have failed potty training, or been sent back a grade.....
Then , when you did the REAL WORLD way that I dealt with people, I was sold on ya.
"when you devasted the "then popular": " According to the terms of our listing, we cannot ..... whatever.
And you said something like I did......What's your first name? Harry? OK Harry, do you want to buy a house? OK, we want to sell one, the RIGHT one for you, so let's leave the dancing to the women and get down to it. Either I pick you up there, or come here and I will spend my gas to show you what a quick interview tells me what you are looking for, etc. OK Harry, here or there?"
Man, I liked that straight arrow non sissy approach.
So I brought you to Placerville for my gang.
OK, gotta go, this trusty Dell looks as though it might print out on it's screen the time I mistakenly got a lingerie website.
You laughing? Better not. I'm a ranch/farm kid from way back in the prairie, and in those days you did not see naked women, outside of dreams, and even then you could only guess as to......
butt I digress..
Do you have any idea of how much you could get from other kids for the lingerie pages from a Sears catalog in those long ago days?
I didn't think so.
I should write a book: "YES, VIRGIN, THERE WAS SEX IN THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES"
(Bob, it's Yes Virginia. )
(Hey, you write your book, I'll write mine)
Why was I posting again?
Bob
Hi Hank:
ReplyDeleteAh yes, training...who told me to take a different client to lunch every day. Fantastic for re-establishing contact if you haven't seen them for awhile....write it off, too! If you are an agent, wear a name tag. Who is going to just stop you and ask you your name....not a sole. If wearing a badge, they will ask you, how is real estate, and you are off! Neat eh! Have you tried door knocking to get clients? It is the best quality way to make lasting contacts. Don't think of the 70 knocks you are planning to do, just think of the first 3. Once done, the following 67 are a breeze. Doors are tough to break into but look at them this way.....I've door knocked an area for 4 years and know just about everyone and most, like me. Now, let's assume, 10 other agents have sent them mail pieces for 4 years without any personal contact. When they sell, who will get the business?? Are they going to break the ice with 10 unknowns or line up their mail pieces and play eny, meny, miny, moe, or, are they just going to call me. I will certainly get the first shot at the business!
I once sold the finest equipment in the World....Caterpillar!...great people. I sensed with one of my customers that things were not good between us...I had read him wrong. I thought he was the type that just wanted the equipment delivered and get off the property...a typical driver! Well, it turns out that his back up personality was an expressive and I had not caught this. He said, once I got the jam to ask him, I want to be stroked, smooozed a little. Most had read him as a gruff driver and would just drop their product and run. Nobody ever took him to lunch until I understood. I passed this on to other Company sales people and we all did much better.
If you are only using technology in sales, how are you going to ask for an order? So, so important! When I was an agent and in my later years, many agents were switching to just faxing offers....the lazy mans way! I've won deals due to my being there even with a low offer. It is not good practice, not appreciated and I can convince the seller that my people love the home. The faxer is not there to do anything and faxing does a poor job of representing the buyer.
It doesn't say a thing except present a number.
So much to tell.
Have any of you tried the quiet way of selling....works like a hot damn! The buy pressure is immense! Let's assume you have asked for the order....now, shut up! And, if you have someone with you, coach them not to say a thing while you are on your pitch. The first one to talk....loses! You will win 4 out of 5 but this must be practiced and practiced. Before I was in sales, a general line salesman, Neles, knew I wanted to get into sales. I happened to arrive just as he was going to do a presentation of a Cat 235 backhoe. Each of us picked a stump, we were way out in the bush, Neles cautioned me to be quiet, not a word. He asked for the order, the customer, Ed Eves, went into convulsions, damned near pulled out the stump he was sitting on, mumbled all kinds of neat things, Neles winked, the customer, finally, said (he lost), gimme the paper and get it up here in 10 days. Neles was the best salesman Finning Tractor had on Vancouver Island and I had, had face to face experience of his ability. And yes, the quiet works very well most times but do the practice before you embarrass yourself or don't use a $300,000.00 machine sale for practice.
Please excuse the verbal diarrhea, one thing sales people must learn, is to listen more than speaking....I'm still learning. And, if you want to be the best in sales, big, fat bank account......become a Toastmaster, immediately!!
Sales people are often the wealthiest in the World, it takes practice. Toastmasters will give you that practice, on a regular weekly basis and the designations you earn are for life.
Barry.
Hank,
ReplyDeleteAs always -- I look forward to whatever you have to say to me -- even though it's always digitally! When you come east, be sure and look me up. Would love to meet in person.
Best regards,
V. P. Migliore
I can relate, Hank. Let's do lunch soon.
ReplyDeleteGosh Hank...
ReplyDeleteHere I went 'n sent off a piece with that danged Irish humor thrown in, and then Barry enters with a brilliantly accurate and straight arrow presentation.
I have always given a ton more than I get with folks. I grew up doing the right thing and giving more than I got, beginning in Sales selling cars in long ago New York City.
About the best all around sales job I can remember.
Why?
Dignity, dress code, conduct code, no Sunday selling, or Saturday after 7, weeknights only to 9 PM, etc.
I was just outa the "Asian War" and from the "Wild west". However, when you are young, New York City was "romantic"
But I had always heard about New Yorkers, know it all types.
THAT WAS A LIE.
In my entire life, I never had such loyalty as I did from New York City people. Oh, I EARNED it, but I "earned" it the rest of my life in L.A. and N.California and never had such a high percentage of referrals.
Tough, and loyal
They paid a weekly salary to start.. .seventy five bucks a week.
But after 3 months you chose full commish for sure. We worked partners, much like police do.
And the Midwestern sales manager was top of the line, the two of us being the only "strangers". Everyone else was born and raised in New York city area.
My "loyalty" factor began like this:
Frank "Mick" , another Irishman and I were partners, so we were searching out the unusual businesses which you find in New York City.
Passing a fish cleaning, loading and unloading business, we went inside, dressed to the "Nines" as always. There we found four guys with arms like steel , wearing those leather aprons and reeking of fish, and wet with constant streams of water, etc. It was about lunch time and they were breaking. MAN, DID THEY PUT US THROUGH THE WRINGER. This being a family site, I cannot use the language, but when they called us kittens, that ain't the word they used, along with expressions as salty as the fish.
However, if you ever took small arms training from the Marines, you heard them before, and more.
So I gutssed it out, and said: "Hey, whadda ya havin for lunch there, I'm hungry"
"What the hells it to ya?"
"I was wondering if you'd give me half of that sandwich , since you have a ton of other stuff in there?"
DEAD SILENCE.
Then one of those tough Basserts started to laugh like hell and said: "You basserts got guts, hell I'll give you half of mine"
"What about my partner?"
So Frank ate also. And we laughed with each other.
A week later, in comes an Italian guy right outa the movies.
"Who's Bob C?", says this no nonsense guy.
Two Italian guys came up to him: "Hey, Paisan (sp), why you wanna see that dude? He ain't even a New Yorker." (they were kidding)(because I was there)
"Sit the frig down", says the man mountain.
"I'm Bob", says me.
"You the guy that had the guts to ask for half of Leon's sandwich?"
"That'd be me, all right" says me.
"Well the guys are still talking about that, so I wanted to buy a truck and a car from a guy who could do that.
And he did, and then sent several more Italians to me with strict instructions to not let those other guys con them.
There are 8 million stories in the Naked City.
This was one of them.
Thank GOD my dad brought me up with the standard Midwest Farm area Irish Culture, which, summed up was:
"Bob, life can go both ways, and in a hurry. You see a guy down on his luck, give him all you can afford and help him back up. If he turns out to be a crook, or takes advantage of you, THEN you knock them on their butt".
And he could do it also. A boxer, an Irish Singer, taught life saving and swimming at the YMCA, taught self defense in a mental institution, later in life taught the Portland Police in handgun training, and few know how many other things he did.
"Respect ALL women, and protect them. It's the duty of a man to do so". I heard that from age three.
RIP Dad, a man among men.
Well, Bobby and Barry, you guys are certainly prolific. Thanks for your thoughts. It's always good to hear from you.
ReplyDeleteWell Hank . . . perhaps technology, as wonderful as it is has in fact set us back if we fail to realize the importance of "real time" relationships!
ReplyDeleteThis was one eye opening post my friend!
Respectfully,
Paul Castain
I have been working in my home office for nearly 20 years and you are right that many days i do not see people outside of my neighborhood or the school my son goes to. However, I believe there are many benefits of maintaining the home office. Yes, there are days that I do not put on my "work" clothes and use technologies to further my business and not "see" people directly. And there are days that I have planned in my calendar for network functions and lunches so I am in direct face to face contact with associates and clients. There is a balance that needs to be maintained which serves me, my family and my customers. These 3 groups know where to find me and do. My phone conversations become visits and allow me to be connected. And as you mention, using my health club facility puts me into circulation. There is that danger of letting technology take the place of human contact which the insurance agent hid behind. And there are many people who would rather do business this way. If more of us were taking a balanced approach maybe this wouldn't be a conversation at all.
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